Fourza Two-Five Challenge Round 2 Post-Race

"SVTyler" (svtyler) 01/12/2015 at 18:00 • Filed to: Fourza

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RACE RESULTS:

1st (12pts) : K-Roll (Cmd Woods), 1970 Porsche 914

2nd (15pts) - SVTyler (mackleroy45), 1965 Alfa GTA

3rd (14pts) - Corey CC97, 1973 BMW 2002

4th (13pts) - AutoFixation (Parlock3), 1980 Fiat 131 Abarth

5th (12pts) - , InfernoVivo (The Honda Man), 1980 Fiat 131 Abarth

6th (11pts) - Ly2v8-Brian (Kampfmesser), 1973 BMW 2002

7th (10pts) - Tohru (Tohru Rokuno), 1969 Datsun 240Z

8th (9pts) - TheVancen (IXII Wrath IIXI), 1965 Lotus Cortina

CURRENT STANDINGS:

1st (25pts) : Ly2v8-Brian (Kampfmesser)

2nd (24pts) - TheVancen (IXII Wrath IIXI)

3rd (16pts) - camaroboy68ss

4th (15pts) - SVTyler (mackleroy45)

5th (14pts) - Corey CC97

T6th (13pts) - Decay (Decay107) and AutoFixation (Parlock3)

T8th (12pts) - K-Roll (Cmd Woods), Darkslayer6368 (if you see this please reply below so I can match the gamertag to the Oppo name), InfernoVivo (Honda Man)

11th (10pts) - Tohru (Tohru Rokuno)

MISCELLANEOUS NOTES:

- We didn't really discuss penalties for anyone who builds an unfair car, but now would be a good time to since we've had our first offender (sorry, K-Roll :|). What I'll do is subtract points so that the offender receives the same number of points that he would've received if he finished in the middle of the pack. Reasoning behind this is that it obviously loses them points, but not enough to discourage them from racing with us altogether. You'll notice that K-Roll's penalty dropped him from 3rd to 8th so it's still pretty severe, yet those four points can easily be made up over the course of the season. Like I said, not trying to make anyone ragequit the series, just getting them to be fair to their fellow competitors.

- Weirdly, we also had a lot of connection issues this race, so I'm really sorry for anyone who couldn't get into the lobby. If you guys are new to the series, know this doesn't happen a lot and hopefully this'll be an isolated incident. I'm switching to 200MB/s Internet sometime in the next month (fuck yeah, fiber) which should minimize any other problems we have as well.

- There was unfortunately a very contentious incident involving two racers this week. As I mentioned in both this series and the Trans-Am posts, shit like this is just inevitable so I don't want anyone raging or holding grudges against anyone. For what it's worth, I was right behind the crash and it looked like one person didn't leave enough room to allow both racers through the corner at the same time, and the other was a bit too ambitious and shouldn't have tried to pass there anyways. I'm not putting the blame on anyone and neither should you guys, it's a racing incident and those do tend to happen in races. Now's as good a time as ever to remind you all of racing etiquette: avoid contact at all costs, always leave just enough room, and most importantly, this whole series is just for fun so don't take it too seriously.

- Finally, there was a bit of confusion as far as BoP adjustments go so let me clarify a few things:

1) build your car to B450 using the !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! . Full race whatever: tires, weight reduction, aero, etc. etc.

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2) If you need to drop PI points, begin with tires . The fastest drivers in our races are the fastest through the corners, so by reducing grip you cancel out your advantage but leave your power figures untouched so you can keep up with the rest of the field on the straights. I've edited the main series post to reflect this philosophy.

CURRENT ORLOVE TROPHY STANDINGS:

Kampfmesser somehow managed to roll his BMW at Turn 7 so he is now in the running for the illustrious Orlove Trophy.

Tohru (Tohru Rokuno) - 2

AutoFixation (Parlock3) - 1

Kampfmesser - 1

And now, a small photo-dump courtesy of !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! , a few more are on his post.

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UPCOMING RACES:

1/17: A550 at Laguna Seca

1/24: B450 at TBD

ly2v8-Brian > SVTyler 01/12/2015 at 18:04

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And a spectacular orloving it was.

Cherry_man1 > SVTyler 01/12/2015 at 18:21

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The big A550 Race is this Saturday correct?

I'll be moving to Kansas City this weekend. My dad got us AT&T Uverse 16MG/s Fiber net so hope fully I'll get everything set up by then. we have a lot to do.

roflcopter > SVTyler 01/12/2015 at 18:22

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We'll have to get one sometime this week and figure out what my connection issues are.. it would seem you and I can never be in the same lobby, but I'm fine with anyone else I try to play with.

Corey CC97, MAZDA DPI IS STILL BAE JOESTACTIV JOESTACTIV JOESTACTIV JOESTACTIV VISIT FLORIDA RACING LIVES FOREVER IN OUR HEARTS > SVTyler 01/12/2015 at 18:31

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Sorry Vancen! I should have waited to pass you!

SVTyler Is Too Lazy to Find His Log-In Password > Cherry_man1 01/12/2015 at 19:02

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Yep, if it helps we could push it back to 4:30 since Parlock always gets on a bit late.

Cherry_man1 > SVTyler Is Too Lazy to Find His Log-In Password 01/12/2015 at 19:04

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Lol why can't you get on your comp for one. Also It's Saturday right?

SVTyler Is Too Lazy to Find His Log-In Password > roflcopter 01/12/2015 at 19:05

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Yeah, that was weird man, like I said we normally don't have problems with that. I'll be on Friday night with a practice session so we could sort it out then. Also helps that I'm using a different ISP at my college apartment so maybe it was just my family's house that was causing all that.

SVTyler Is Too Lazy to Find His Log-In Password > Cherry_man1 01/12/2015 at 19:07

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I'm on a library computer now because my laptop decided to delete my Windows profile (containing all my passwords and saved settings), which meant I had to take it to a computer place to get it restored. And yeah, Saturday the 17th.

Cherry_man1 > SVTyler Is Too Lazy to Find His Log-In Password 01/12/2015 at 19:09

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kk Also why a new profile?

SVTyler Is Too Lazy to Find His Log-In Password > Cherry_man1 01/12/2015 at 19:14

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Because my normal account was made using a Burner and I didn't save the password anywhere. Because I'm an idiot.

Cherry_man1 > SVTyler Is Too Lazy to Find His Log-In Password 01/12/2015 at 19:15

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XD Nice. RIP SVTyler Profile.

SVTyler Is Too Lazy to Find His Log-In Password > Cherry_man1 01/12/2015 at 19:22

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RIP in peace, that'll learn me if the dudes can't fix my computer and get my saved settings back. If they can I probably won't learn anything from all this and eventually screw myself over yet again but still...

Cherry_man1 > SVTyler Is Too Lazy to Find His Log-In Password 01/12/2015 at 19:28

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Step one. Link your twitter/facebook. Boom done.

SVTyler Is Too Lazy to Find His Log-In Password > Cherry_man1 01/12/2015 at 19:39

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I'd first need a Twitter or Facebook. And friends to add on both :''''''(

Cherry_man1 > SVTyler Is Too Lazy to Find His Log-In Password 01/12/2015 at 20:02

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Well you would have me! =D

SVTyler Is Too Lazy to Find His Log-In Password > Cherry_man1 01/12/2015 at 20:13

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Nah, I get enough of you on here. Always on and on about that Torino, Jesus man. It's like you're a car guy or something...

Cherry_man1 > SVTyler Is Too Lazy to Find His Log-In Password 01/12/2015 at 20:15

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Well I mean I can talk about sex but thats a WHOLE NOTHER Side of me

SVTyler Is Too Lazy to Find His Log-In Password > Cherry_man1 01/12/2015 at 20:26

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Look man, what you do in the privacy of your own home is between you and those Taiwanese transvestites, I ain't getting involved in any of that.

Autofixation > SVTyler Is Too Lazy to Find His Log-In Password 01/13/2015 at 09:19

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Thanks, I have getting home from work down to 18 minutes.

Autofixation > roflcopter 01/13/2015 at 09:24

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I think I am going to try to talk the girlfriend into getting a new modem.

RoboRed "The road to hell is paved with overturned Vanduras" > SVTyler 01/13/2015 at 18:39

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Sooo...has there been a posted target time for A550 at Laguna Seca yet?

SVTyler > RoboRed "The road to hell is paved with overturned Vanduras" 01/13/2015 at 18:59

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Getting on to do that right now, my computer borked itself a few days ago (got it back literally 10 minutes ago) and I didn't have my Kinja password saved anywhere else so that's why I didn't post it on Monday like usual. I think I'll set this lap time a bit faster than the B450 just so we don't have to dial our cars back so much but I'll have the time up tomorrow for sure.

SVTyler > SVTyler 01/13/2015 at 20:29

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Actually, do me a favor and run a few laps at A550 and let me know what times you're turning in. I was in the 1:35 range at A550 and 1:39 at 519 (on sport compound and mid-tier tire widths) but I'd like to see what you're running since you're the fastest guy in the lobby. I'm trying to make it fair for the slower guys but at the same time I don't want to make the faster dudes miserable with a huge PI handicap.

SVTyler > Autofixation 01/14/2015 at 02:01

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No problem. We never start on time anyways, might as well make it official.

RoboRed "The road to hell is paved with overturned Vanduras" > SVTyler 01/15/2015 at 00:35

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1:35.675 (unclean) For my fastest lap, but the vast majority of them were around 1:36.200-400. I only got one other in the 1:35 range.

I do not like Laguna Seca.

Also, have you had a chance to upload that replay yet?

SVTyler > RoboRed "The road to hell is paved with overturned Vanduras" 01/15/2015 at 01:05

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Right on. And no, I forgot to do it before I left for school and I'm stuck on an Arcade 360 that doesn't let you watch or upload replays. Really sorry about that, I know you've been asking for like two weeks, it keeps slipping my mind. I might be going back home this weekend so I could upload it then, I'll let you know.

dr861 > SVTyler 01/18/2015 at 17:01

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I want in on this as well! Send me an invite next sat.

SVTyler > dr861 01/18/2015 at 17:23

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Will do, just be on at ~4 and you shouldn't have any problems.

SVTyler > RoboRed "The road to hell is paved with overturned Vanduras" 01/19/2015 at 18:32

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Hey man, just curious what you think of our BoP adjustment system. Like, are the target times I'm setting too slow? Because I can always set them a bit faster so that driving the car doesn't completely suck for the faster people since we have to take off so many upgrades. I'm ok with it, just wanted to make sure you guys are too.

RoboRed "The road to hell is paved with overturned Vanduras" > SVTyler 01/20/2015 at 22:29

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I like the idea of handicapping going both ways with buffs and nerfs. I don't really have a problem with the times, but more with the idea of balancing by a time. It gets a little too subjective, it's hard to factor traffic into the time, not to mention what happens at race time when one gets hyper-focused while driving the track over and over and winds up carving a lot our of their normal time and shoots way over the proposed limit. There's also the risk of the cars being far too "samey". The busier traffic is definitely more interesting, but right now my feeling is a little more towards frustrated than fun. (If I have to spend a third entirety of a race staring at the ass-end of a certain Chevelle, I'm killing myself.)

I dunno, maybe you could try giving slightly faster times a shot. The downside of this is that there are some racers who are already approaching the limit of their cars without breaking the no aspiration/engine change. Maybe things will just clear up once we're out of the "suck" tracks. The last time I was in a series where BoP was involved, it just went one way instead of both, and was readjusted for the next race after the results of the previous race. Not a bad idea, but it just ended up being too punitive on the winners and left them with neutered cars (Also, that guy's series weren't really all that fun because they involved TOO much realism...). Maybe that could be applied better to lower level cars both ways because there's more control over part choice (I mean, there's not a lot you can do to an R3.).

Also, how do you make posts to the Oppo page? I haven't started a thread since the early days of Kinja, before having a linked profile was required (i.e. a long ass time ago), and it seems like every time I try to write something it's directed to my "blog". I want to make a post about the current proposal of the Le Mans roadster rules and info.

Also, I need two spaces vacated in the club garage. I redid tuning on the cars and want to add the two C1 'vettes for trial.

Autofixation > SVTyler 01/20/2015 at 22:50

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Who was it that was trying to put together the Classic LeMans series? I remember that he said he posted the info on his private blog.

SVTyler > Autofixation 01/20/2015 at 23:11

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That was either Corey or RoboRed, they both have something like that in the works.

SVTyler > RoboRed "The road to hell is paved with overturned Vanduras" 01/20/2015 at 23:44

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but right now my feeling is a little more towards frustrated than fun

That's exactly what I don't want to have going on and exactly what I'm worried actually is happening. Racing's been crazy close in both series but at the expense of the driving experience for the faster guys having to take off PI points. I mean, I personally don't mind and from what I've heard no one's had a real problem with the ways these series are run but I'm sure some things are being left unsaid, which is why I asked. We can talk about this more in next week's race lobby I guess, I really do want to know what people think about this.

Problem is that, from my perspective at least, due to the skill disparity this is about as good as it's going to get as far as parity among the cars while still being fair to field as a whole. Like, we can set the target times faster so the quicker dudes don't have to dial it back so much, but as you mentioned some people can't really go much faster and could get left behind. I'm just trying to avoid what happened in the GT car series where dudes showed up for only one race and never came back because they got their doors blown off, this series is supposed to be fun for everyone, not just the same four people every week.

I don't really know any other way to balance these cars other than by lap time but I'm open to suggestions. That being said, the BoP adjustments are working as designed: finishing order has been much more unpredictable and varied across both series and races as closer than ever, two things that were sorely lacking in the GT races. I think it's just seems more lame for the faster dudes because we're having to swallow our pride and accept that we won't finish on the podium every week like last series. In a way I kind of like that, it makes for interesting racing, but I can totally understand how frustrating it can be.

That being said something's gotta give man, like I said in the main series post you shouldn't go into these races expecting to win, you should go in expecting to have fun just racing with other people, even if it's not for P1. I always felt bad for dudes like Cherry Man and Kampfmesser who showed up for every race they could and always finished in the back of the pack, maybe now it's time to give them a taste of what winning is like. Plus I think you've just had a shitty run of things to start out the season; keep in mind both tracks we've been to are super-narrow so it's hard to pass, and that your Falcon just doesn't have the straight-line speed of Kampf's Chevelle so passing that son of a bitch has been a nightmare. There's 10 race left in the series so a lot can happen still.

Like I said we can talk about this more in the race lobbies so we can get a better feel for what the group as a whole wants to do. I like where this series is right now but I did ask you your opinion because I'm completely open to changing things around if need be.

And to post to Oppo proper you need to ask one of the mods for authorship, reply to a club opening post and they should take care of the rest.

Autofixation > SVTyler 01/22/2015 at 15:07

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What is RoboRed's Oppo screen name?

SVTyler > Autofixation 01/22/2015 at 15:22

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It's actually just RoboRed, here's his Kinja page.

SVTyler > RoboRed "The road to hell is paved with overturned Vanduras" 01/23/2015 at 20:51

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I removed the rest of the T/A cars so you should be good to go.

RoboRed "The road to hell is paved with overturned Vanduras" > SVTyler 01/23/2015 at 23:59

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Got it. Uploaded the two 'Vettes. I posted on that thread you linked, but I haven't gotten a reply yet. Still can't post directly to Oppo.

Plus I think you've just had a shitty run of things to start out the season; keep in mind both tracks we've been to are super-narrow so it's hard to pass, and that your Falcon just doesn't have the straight-line speed of Kampf's Chevelle so passing that son of a bitch has been a nightmare

Yeah, like I said, "suck tracks". Le Mans isn't going to do me any favors since it's more speed-favoring, but at least it's wider. I never picked the Falcon for top speed, I picked it because it handles damn well for its size/for a muscle car in general, and can beat people in the corners. Sadly, that bites me in the ass on narrower tracks.

Also, I picked it because I have a thing for the Falcon that never was (in the US, at least).

(why is this STILL not in Forza?)

SVTyler > Autofixation 01/26/2015 at 00:17

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Hey man, was that you who saved the replay for last race? If so could you send me pics before 6pm on Tuesday when the post-race goes up? Thanks.

Also sorry for getting into you last race. Not sure what happened, somehow I turned into you when I was on the outside. My bad.

Autofixation > SVTyler 01/28/2015 at 16:33

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It is on my storefront.

SVTyler > Autofixation 01/28/2015 at 16:41

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Can't save or view replays because I have an arcade 360 with no HDD :( One of you guys are going to have to take pics and either send them to me or post them yourselves.

Autofixation > SVTyler 01/28/2015 at 21:42

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I am having a crazy few days and having to help take care of my Aunt and Uncle. I will take pics tomorrow. Sorry for the delay.

SVTyler > Autofixation 01/28/2015 at 21:47

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Oh dude it's no worries, deal with your life shit before our dumb little game. Honda Man already downloaded the replay off your storefront and posted a photodump so we're good for this week, next race at Le Mans should have some good photo ops.